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Problem

Consider $A = \log (2013 + \log (2012 + \log (2011 + \log (\cdots + \log (3 + \log 2) \cdots ))))$ . Which of the following intervals contains $A$ ?

$\textbf{(A)} \ (\log 2016, \log 2017)$ $\textbf{(B)} \ (\log 2017, \log 2018)$ $\textbf{(C)} \ (\log 2018, \log 2019)$ $\textbf{(D)} \ (\log 2019, \log 2020)$ $\textbf{(E)} \ (\log 2020, \log 2021)$

Solutions

Solution 1

Let $f(x) = \log(x + f(x-1))$ and $f(2) = \log(2)$ , and from the problem description, $A = f(2013)$

We can reason out an approximation, by ignoring the $f(x-1)$ :

$f_{0}(x) \approx \log x$

And a better approximation, by plugging in our first approximation for $f(x-1)$ in our original definition for $f(x)$ :

$f_{1}(x) \approx \log(x + \log(x-1))$

And an even better approximation:

$f_{2}(x) \approx \log(x + \log(x-1 + \log(x-2)))$

Continuing this pattern, obviously, will eventually terminate at $f_{x-1}(x)$ , in other words our original definition of $f(x)$ .

However, at $x = 2013$ , going further than $f_{1}(x)$ will not distinguish between our answer choices. $\log(2012 + \log(2011))$ is nearly indistinguishable from $\log(2012)$ .

So we take $f_{1}(x)$ and plug in.

$f(2013) \approx \log(2013 + \log 2012)$

Since $1000 < 2012 < 10000$ , we know $3 < \log(2012) < 4$ . This gives us our answer range:

$\log 2016 < \log(2013 + \log 2012) < \log(2017)$

$(\log 2016, \log 2017)$

Solution 2

Suppose $A=\log(x)$ . Then $\log(2012+ \cdots)=x-2013$ . So if $x>2017$ , then $\log(2012+\log(2011+\cdots))>4$ . So $2012+\log(2011+\cdots)>10000$ . Repeating, we then get $2011+\log(2010+\cdots)>10^{7988}$ . This is clearly absurd (the RHS continues to grow more than exponentially for each iteration). So, $x$ is not greater than $2017$ . So $A<\log(2017)$ . But this leaves only one answer, so we are done.

Solution 3

Define $f(2) = \log(2)$ , and $f(n) = \log(n+f(n-1)), \text{ for } n > 2.$ We are looking for $f(2013)$ . First we show

Lemma. For any integer $n>2$ , if $n < 10^k-k$ then $f(n) < k$ .

Proof. First note that $f(2) < 1$ . Let $n<10^k-k$ . Then $n+k<10^k$ , so $\log(n+k)< k$ . Suppose the claim is true for $n-1$ . Then $f(n) = \log(n+f(n-1)) < \log(n + k) < k$ . The Lemma is thus proved by induction.

Finally, note that $2012 < 10^4 - 4$ so that the Lemma implies that $f(2012) < 4$ . This means that $f(2013) = \log(2013+f(2012)) < \log(2017)$ , which leaves us with only one option $\boxed{\textbf{(A) } (\log 2016, \log 2017)}$ .

Solution 4

Define $f(2) = \log(2)$ , and $f(n) = \log(n+f(n-1)), \text{ for } n > 2.$ We start with a simple observation:

Lemma. For $x,y>2$ , $\log(x+\log(y)) < \log(x)+\log(y)=\log(xy)$ .

Proof. Since $x,y>2$ , we have $xy-x-y = (x-1)(y-1) - 1 > 0$ , so $xy - x-\log(y) > xy - x - y > 0$ .

It follows that $\log(z+\log(x+\log(y))) < \log(x)+\log(y)+\log(z)$ , and so on.

Thus $f(2010) < \log 2 + \log 3 + \cdots + \log 2010 < \log 2010 + \cdots + \log 2010 < 2009\cdot 4 = 8036$ .

Then $f(2011) = \log(2011+f(2010)) < \log(10047) < 5$ .

It follows that $f(2012) = \log(2012+f(2011)) < \log(2017) < 4$ .

Finally, we get $f(2013) = \log(2013 + f(2012)) < \log(2017)$ , which leaves us with only option $\boxed{\textbf{(A)}}$ .

Solution 5 (nonrigorous + abusing answer choices.)

Intuitively, you can notice that $\log(2012+\log(2011+\cdots(\log(2)\cdots))<\log(2013+\log(2012+\cdots(\log(2))\cdots))$ , therefore (by the answer choices) $\log(2012+\log(2011+\cdots(\log(2)\cdots))<\log(2021)$ . We can then say:

$x=\log(2013+\log(2012+\cdots(\log(2))\cdots))$ $\log(2013)<x<\log(2013+\log(2021))$ $\log(2013)<x<\log(2013+4)$ $\log(2013)<x<\log(2017)$

The only answer choice that is possible given this information is $\boxed{\textbf{(A)}}$

Solution 6 (super quick)

Let $f(x) = \log(x + \log((x-1) + \log((x-2) + \ldots + \log 2 \ldots )))$ . From the answer choices, we see that $3 < f(2013) < 4$ . Since $f(x)$ grows very slowly, we can assume $3 < f(2012) < 4$ . Therefore, $f(2013) = \log(2013 + f(2012)) \in (\log 2016, \log 2017) \implies \boxed{\textbf{(A)}}$ .

~rayfish

Solution 7 (Not rigorous but it works)

Start small from $log(3+log2)$ . Because $log2$ is close to $0$ , the expression is close to $log 3$ . This continues for the 1 digit numbers. However, when we get to $log(11+log10)$ , $log10=1$ so the expression equals $log12$ . We can round down how much each new log contributes to the expression as an approximate answer. There are 90 2 digit numbers, 900 3 digit numbers, and 1014 4 digit numbers that increase the expression. $1000< 90 \cdot 1 + 900 \cdot 2 + 1014 \cdot 3< 10000$ , so it increases between 3 and 4. The answer is $\boxed{\textbf{(A)}}$ .

~dragnin

Solution 8 (Assumption)

Consider $\log (2013+\log(2012))$ and disregard every other log. We do this because we assume that the logs from $2011$ onward cannot contribute more than $7987$ because of the nature of logs. We have $\log(2016)<\log (2013+\log(2012))<\log(2017)$ so the answer is $\boxed{A}.$

= Solution 9 (i just lost my dawg)

It seems that $\log (2012+x)$ is going to be less than four, since otherwise, it would imply that $x>7987$ , and going down, that seems very impossible.

Then, the answer is just $\boxed{\textbf{A} (\log{2016}, \log{2017})}$

Video Solution by Richard Rusczyk

https://artofproblemsolving.com/videos/amc/2013amc12a/360

@@ Line 89: / Line 89: @@
 Let <math>f(x) = \log(x + \log((x-1) + \log((x-2) + \ldots + \log 2 \ldots )))</math>. From the answer choices, we see that <math>3 < f(2013) < 4</math>. Since <math>f(x)</math> grows very slowly, we can assume <math>3 < f(2012) < 4</math>. Therefore, <math>f(2013) = \log(2013 + f(2012)) \in (\log 2016, \log 2017) \implies \boxed{\textbf{(A)}}</math>.
+~rayfish
+=== Solution 7 (Not rigorous but it works) ===
+Start small from <math>log(3+log2)</math>. Because <math>log2</math> is close to <math>0</math>, the expression is close to <math>log 3</math>. This continues for the 1 digit numbers. However, when we get to <math>log(11+log10)</math>, <math>log10=1</math> so the expression equals <math>log12</math>. We can round down how much each new log contributes to the expression as an approximate answer. There are 90 2 digit numbers, 900 3 digit numbers, and 1014 4 digit numbers that increase the expression. <math>1000< 90 \cdot 1 + 900 \cdot 2 + 1014 \cdot 3< 10000</math>, so it increases between 3 and 4. The answer is <math>\boxed{\textbf{(A)}}</math>.
+~dragnin
+=== Solution 8 (Assumption) ===
+Consider <math>\log (2013+\log(2012))</math> and disregard every other log. We do this because we assume that the logs from <math>2011</math> onward cannot contribute more than <math>7987</math> because of the nature of logs. We have <math>\log(2016)<\log (2013+\log(2012))<\log(2017)</math> so the answer is <math>\boxed{A}.</math>
+=== Solution 9 (i just lost my dawg) ==
+It seems that <math>\log (2012+x)</math> is going to be less than four, since otherwise, it would imply that <math>x>7987</math>, and going down, that seems very impossible.
+Then, the answer is just <math>\boxed{\textbf{A} (\log{2016}, \log{2017})}</math>
 === Video Solution by Richard Rusczyk ===

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