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However, upon hearing that all four students replied no, each student was able to determine the elements of <math>S</math>. Find the sum of all possible values of the greatest element of <math>S</math>.
 
However, upon hearing that all four students replied no, each student was able to determine the elements of <math>S</math>. Find the sum of all possible values of the greatest element of <math>S</math>.
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==Solution 1==
 
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Let's start by listing the multiples of 6 and 7:
 
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6, 12, 18, 24, 30, 36, 42, 48, 54, 60, 66, 72, 78, 84, 90, 96;
 
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7, 14, 21, 28, 35, 42, 49, 56, 63, 70, 77, 84, 91, and 98. First of all, the multiples of 6 and 7 wouldn't work, so we can cross out 42 and 84.
 
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Since the students said they didn't know the answer, it must be that the set has no distinct integers from the sets. Let's list out the possible sets. Since they are in lists of 4, we need multiples of 6 or 7. Let's list them out.
 
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11, 12, 13, 14
 
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12, 13, 14, 15
 
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But if a student has 11 or 15, they would know. So that wouldn't work.
 
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The second set would be this: <math>\{34,35,36,37\}</math> <math>\{47,48,49,50\}</math> <math>\{76,77,78,79\}</math> <math>\{89,90,91,92\}</math>
 
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They couldn't know since the multiples of 7 is 35, and if you list it out, they wouldn't know about it since there are other sets such as 35, 36, 37, 38, and 33, 34, 35, 36. The people with these sets would say no, so the second set would WORK. The other sets are only 2 numbers, and since 2 numbers are sufficiently smaller than our 2nd set, we have concluded the answer is 37+50+79+92 = <math>\boxed{258}</math>.
 
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~Arcticturn
 
  
 
==Solution 2 (Illustrations)==
 
==Solution 2 (Illustrations)==

Revision as of 18:17, 7 September 2021

Problem

A teacher was leading a class of four perfectly logical students. The teacher chose a set $S$ of four integers and gave a different number in $S$ to each student. Then the teacher announced to the class that the numbers in $S$ were four consecutive two-digit positive integers, that some number in $S$ was divisible by $6$, and a different number in $S$ was divisible by $7$. The teacher then asked if any of the students could deduce what $S$ is, but in unison, all of the students replied no.

However, upon hearing that all four students replied no, each student was able to determine the elements of $S$. Find the sum of all possible values of the greatest element of $S$.

Solution 2 (Illustrations)

Note that $\operatorname{lcm}(6,7)=42.$ It is clear that $42\not\in S$ and $84\not\in S,$ otherwise the three other elements in $S$ are divisible by neither $6$ nor $7.$

In the table below, the multiples of $6$ are colored in yellow, and the multiples of $7$ are colored in green. By the least common multiple, we obtain cycles: If $n$ is a possible maximum value of $S,$ then $n+42$ must be another possible maximum value of $S,$ and vice versa. By observations, we circle all possible maximum values of $S.$ [asy] /* Made by MRENTHUSIASM */ size(20cm); fill((5,0)--(6,0)--(6,2)--(5,2)--cycle,yellow); fill((11,0)--(12,0)--(12,3)--(11,3)--cycle,yellow); fill((17,1)--(18,1)--(18,3)--(17,3)--cycle,yellow); fill((23,1)--(24,1)--(24,3)--(23,3)--cycle,yellow); fill((29,1)--(30,1)--(30,3)--(29,3)--cycle,yellow); fill((35,1)--(36,1)--(36,3)--(35,3)--cycle,yellow); fill((6,0)--(7,0)--(7,2)--(6,2)--cycle,green); fill((13,0)--(14,0)--(14,3)--(13,3)--cycle,green); fill((20,1)--(21,1)--(21,3)--(20,3)--cycle,green); fill((27,1)--(28,1)--(28,3)--(27,3)--cycle,green); fill((34,1)--(35,1)--(35,3)--(34,3)--cycle,green); fill((42,3)--(41,3)--(41,2)--cycle,yellow); fill((42,2)--(41,2)--(41,1)--cycle,yellow); fill((42,3)--(42,2)--(41,2)--cycle,green); fill((42,2)--(42,1)--(41,1)--cycle,green); for (real i=9.5; i<=41.5; ++i) { label("$"+string(i+0.5)+"$",(i,2.5),fontsize(9pt)); } for (real i=0.5; i<=41.5; ++i) { label("$"+string(i+42.5)+"$",(i,1.5),fontsize(9pt)); } for (real i=0.5; i<=14.5; ++i) { label("$"+string(i+84.5)+"$",(i,0.5),fontsize(9pt)); } draw(circle((6.5,1.5),0.45)); draw(circle((6.5,0.5),0.45)); draw(circle((7.5,1.5),0.45)); draw(circle((7.5,0.5),0.45)); draw(circle((8.5,1.5),0.45)); draw(circle((8.5,0.5),0.45)); draw(circle((13.5,2.5),0.45)); draw(circle((13.5,1.5),0.45)); draw(circle((13.5,0.5),0.45)); draw(circle((14.5,2.5),0.45)); draw(circle((14.5,1.5),0.45)); draw(circle((14.5,0.5),0.45)); draw(circle((20.5,2.5),0.45)); draw(circle((20.5,1.5),0.45)); draw(circle((23.5,2.5),0.45)); draw(circle((23.5,1.5),0.45)); draw(circle((29.5,2.5),0.45)); draw(circle((29.5,1.5),0.45)); draw(circle((30.5,2.5),0.45)); draw(circle((30.5,1.5),0.45)); draw(circle((35.5,2.5),0.45)); draw(circle((35.5,1.5),0.45)); draw(circle((36.5,2.5),0.45)); draw(circle((36.5,1.5),0.45)); draw(circle((37.5,2.5),0.45)); draw(circle((37.5,1.5),0.45)); draw((9,3)--(42,3)); draw((0,2)--(42,2)); draw((0,1)--(42,1)); draw((0,0)--(15,0)); for (real i=0; i<9; ++i) { draw((i,2)--(i,0)); } for (real i=9; i<16; ++i) { draw((i,3)--(i,0)); } for (real i=16; i<=42; ++i) { draw((i,3)--(i,1)); } [/asy] From the second row of the table above, we perform casework on the possible maximum value of $S:$ \[\begin{array}{c||c|c|l} & & & \\ [-2.5ex] \textbf{Max Value} & \boldsymbol{S} & \textbf{Valid?} & \hspace{16.25mm}\textbf{Reasoning/Conclusion} \\ [0.5ex] \hline & & & \\ [-2ex] 49 & \{46,47,48,49\} & & \text{The student who gets } 46 \text{ will reply yes.} \\ 50 & \{47,48,49,50\} & \checkmark & \text{Another possibility is } S=\{89,90,91,92\}. \\ 51 & \{48,49,50,51\} & & \text{The student who gets } 51 \text{ will reply yes.} \\ 56 & \{53,54,55,56\} & & \text{The student who gets } 53 \text{ will reply yes.} \\ 57 & \{54,55,56,57\} & & \text{The student who gets } 57 \text{ will reply yes.} \\ 63 & \{60,61,62,63\} & & \text{The students who get } 60,61,62 \text{ will reply yes.} \\ 66 & \{63,64,65,66\} & & \text{The students who get } 64,65,66 \text{ will reply yes.} \\ 72 & \{69,70,71,72\} & & \text{The student who gets } 69 \text{ will reply yes.} \\ 73 & \{70,71,72,73\} & & \text{The student who gets } 73 \text{ will reply yes.} \\ 78 & \{75,76,77,78\} & & \text{The student who gets } 75 \text{ will reply yes.} \\ 79 & \{76,77,78,79\} & \checkmark & \text{Another possibility is } S=\{34,35,36,37\}. \\ 80 & \{77,78,79,80\} & & \text{The student who gets } 80 \text{ will reply yes.} \end{array}\] Finally, all possibilities for $S$ are $\{34,35,36,37\}, \{47,48,49,50\}, \{76,77,78,79\},$ and $\{89,90,91,92\},$ from which the answer is $37+50+79+92=\boxed{258}.$

Remarks

  1. Alternatively, we can reconstruct the second table in this solution as follows, where Y and N denote the replies of "yes" and "no", respectively. Notice that this table has some kind of symmetry! [asy] /* Made by MRENTHUSIASM */ size(20cm); for (real j=5.5; j<41.5; j+=6) { fill((j+0.5,4)--(j-0.5,4)--(j-0.5,3)--(j+0.5,3)--cycle,yellow); } for (real j=6.5; j<41.5; j+=7) { fill((j+0.5,4)--(j-0.5,4)--(j-0.5,3)--(j+0.5,3)--cycle,green); } fill((4,1)--(8,1)--(8,2)--(4,2)--cycle,mediumgray); fill((33,1)--(37,1)--(37,2)--(33,2)--cycle,mediumgray); fill((42,4)--(41,4)--(41,3)--cycle,yellow); fill((42,4)--(42,3)--(41,3)--cycle,green); for (real i=0.5; i<=41.5; ++i) { label("$"+string(i+42.5)+"$",(i,3.5),fontsize(9pt)); } draw(circle((6.5,3.5),0.45)); draw(circle((7.5,3.5),0.45)); draw(circle((8.5,3.5),0.45)); draw(circle((13.5,3.5),0.45)); draw(circle((14.5,3.5),0.45)); draw(circle((20.5,3.5),0.45)); draw(circle((23.5,3.5),0.45)); draw(circle((29.5,3.5),0.45)); draw(circle((30.5,3.5),0.45)); draw(circle((35.5,3.5),0.45)); draw(circle((36.5,3.5),0.45)); draw(circle((37.5,3.5),0.45)); label("Y",(3.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(4.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(5.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(6.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(4.5,1.5),blue); label("N",(5.5,1.5),blue); label("N",(6.5,1.5),blue); label("N",(7.5,1.5),blue); label("N",(5.5,0.5),blue); label("N",(6.5,0.5),blue); label("N",(7.5,0.5),blue); label("Y",(8.5,0.5),blue); label("Y",(10.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(11.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(12.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(13.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(11.5,1.5),blue); label("N",(12.5,1.5),blue); label("N",(13.5,1.5),blue); label("Y",(14.5,1.5),blue); label("Y",(17.5,2.5),blue); label("Y",(18.5,2.5),blue); label("Y",(19.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(20.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(20.5,1.5),blue); label("Y",(21.5,1.5),blue); label("Y",(22.5,1.5),blue); label("Y",(23.5,1.5),blue); label("Y",(26.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(27.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(28.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(29.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(27.5,1.5),blue); label("N",(28.5,1.5),blue); label("N",(29.5,1.5),blue); label("Y",(30.5,1.5),blue); label("Y",(32.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(33.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(34.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(35.5,2.5),blue); label("N",(33.5,1.5),blue); label("N",(34.5,1.5),blue); label("N",(35.5,1.5),blue); label("N",(36.5,1.5),blue); label("N",(34.5,0.5),blue); label("N",(35.5,0.5),blue); label("N",(36.5,0.5),blue); label("Y",(37.5,0.5),blue); for (real i=0; i<=42; ++i) { draw((i,4)--(i,3)); } draw((0,4)--(42,4)); draw((0,3)--(42,3)); [/asy]
  2. As a confirmation, we can verify that each student will be able to deduce what $S$ is upon hearing the four replies of "no" in unison. For example, if $S=\{47,48,49,50\},$ then all students will know that no one gets $46$ or $51,$ otherwise that student will reply yes (as discussed). Therefore, all students will conclude that $S$ has only one possibility.

~MRENTHUSIASM

Video Solution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jKjilTRhs4

See Also

2021 AIME II (Problems • Answer Key • Resources)
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